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gypsyheart



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:54 pm    Post subject: themes of death? Reply with quote

Aging and dying, going into "the light"/"white light", "the other side":
these are all repeated throughout "Hopes and Fears". I'm wondering, is that supposed to be the theme? Or is that just Tim's writing style?

And, if it is the theme, is death supposed to be the hope or the fear?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also wondered if 'meet you on the other side'

was some kind of reference to death?

(sorry to steal your thread hun! I thought it was a good question.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a gd question acculaty. *saying it while falling on floor*
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas Oliver Chaplin! aw... so cute! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="WishingForTheSun" I also wondered if 'meet you on the other side' was some kind of reference to death?]

I think it is. I don't know what else it could mean. It's so romantic, in an unusual way!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: white light Reply with quote

gypsyheart17 wrote:
Aging and dying, going into "the light"/"white light", "the other side": these are all repeated throughout "Hopes and Fears". I'm wondering, is that supposed to be the theme? Or is that just Tim's writing style?
And, if it is the theme, is death supposed to be the hope or the fear?


light is usally interpreted as a reference to the divine. but perhaps it's just about illumination, when a person is made to reveal who they really are (by the provocation of another person), they are almost made transparent, and made vulrenable. we see their true selves. there are also many repititions of knowing throughout this album too. i think most of the songs are about harsh realisations about another person. that you might know them better than they do themselves. light is used as a metaphor for so many things, it would be best if tim could explain...hint...hint... Wink

WishingForTheSun wrote:
I also wondered if 'meet you on the other side' was some kind of reference to death?


i suppose it depends, my question would be: on the other side of what? Laughing


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gypsyheart



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I didn't think of it that way. That's nice, too. I like to think it references to death, though, because it reminds me how little time we have on earth; and if we love someone, we should tell them before time runs out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is "Bend and Break" about aging or dying? It reminds me af the novel-turned-movie, "The Notebook", where the wife gets alzheimers and can't remember her husband. Once in a while, though, she recognizes him. It's so sad! Everytime I hear the song I think of that.
I really don't know what the song means, though. That's just my interpretation ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:01 pm    Post subject: death Reply with quote

in bend and break that phrase is more about getting through a really dark state of mind and emerging into brighter, happier times. the old saying 'the darkest hour is just before the dawn' is very true and potent i think. people often say that with proper depression, things can seem unbearably awful as your thoughts run around each other in the dark of the night but when the sun rises you can get more perspective and see things in a more hopeful way. see patrick humphries' book on nick drake for his thoughts on how this phenomenon affected that great songwriter. anyway for me i've always loved the mornings...the day is new and full of possibilities. the song reminds me of when i was young and in the mornings i'd phone tom or richard or other friends and we'd make plans to meet up in town or play football or whatever. i still feel the same way...for example i alway write songs best early in the morning.

untitled 1 is probably a bit darker...but i think bedshaped is the song on the album that has the most to do with death. i've talked about that song elsewhere on this forum so if you're interested check out my ramblings there!! thanks guys and thanks for taking an interest in the details of our songs...that's what it's all about. love from tim
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for answering all that in such detail. Smile

tim wrote:
in bend and break that phrase is more about getting through a really dark state of mind and emerging into brighter, happier times. the old saying 'the darkest hour is just before the dawn' is very true and potent i think.


Yipee, I'm right for once, that's exactly what the song means to me. And that's what I see in SOWK and Can't Stop Now - moving on from one's problem's and putting them behind you, a bit of hope coming out of despair.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I said as well, Ellie didn't believe me but I was right after all, for once! Razz
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celia



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: death Reply with quote

tim wrote:
the old saying 'the darkest hour is just before the dawn' is very true and potent i think. people often say that with proper depression, things can seem unbearably awful as your thoughts run around each other in the dark of the night but when the sun rises you can get more perspective and see things in a more hopeful way.


wow, thats just how I hear the song. I love that saying it is very very true. It's always good to hear what a song means to the person that wrote it.

Thank you for taking the time to answer this interesting question Tim Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U2QueenBee wrote:
That's what I said as well, Ellie didn't believe me but I was right after all, for once! Razz



HUH? what? when?

I totally agree with that, I never said it wasn't like that!

I really connect with those lyrics coz they inspire me the same way as watching the sun rise over a sleeping town from the hills and looking at the beauty of it all, knowing that in some sad way it'll all get soiled by everyone waking up but that it will be wiped clean again but the coming night and wake refreshed and new again every morning....opps sorry, this isn't my thread....i'll shut up now

Ellie
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Wow, Tim, thank you for responding!
Often if I'm sad, I'll stay up until the sun rises, and I feel happier. It's strange how that works!
Anyways, thank you again, and please keep writing these beautiful songs!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliehyde wrote:
U2QueenBee wrote:
That's what I said as well, Ellie didn't believe me but I was right after all, for once! Razz



HUH? what? when?

I totally agree with that, I never said it wasn't like that!

I really connect with those lyrics coz they inspire me the same way as watching the sun rise over a sleeping town from the hills and looking at the beauty of it all, knowing that in some sad way it'll all get soiled by everyone waking up but that it will be wiped clean again but the coming night and wake refreshed and new again every morning....opps sorry, this isn't my thread....i'll shut up now

Ellie
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Ah ok my bad Ellie, I thought..I don't remember what I thought. It's been a long weird few months!
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